Raidermarch and the Grand Duchy of Kalradin

[tjoneslo]

In digging around in the Wiki for some other fixes I come across the Grand Duchy of Kalradin. The article had some questionable sources, so I go digging. The Traveller Map site has the duchy as an (semi-)official polity living in the Crucis Margin sector. So I check Gateway to Destiny, the most recent canon on this sector and find there is no Duchy. But there is a group called the "Raidermarch", a small pocket empire that has existed since the days of the Long Night. First as raiders for the area, then as trader of high tech goods. According to GtD, the Raidermarch is, as of 750 or so, reverting to their piracy nature and beginning to raid worlds and shipping again.

According to the maps, the 990 Raidermarch matches exactly with the 1105 Duchy, they occupy all of the same worlds. Coincidence?

So what happened between 750 (with the Raidermarch piracy on the rise), 990 (where they're still there) and 1105 (where the empire has been renamed)?

Is there any more source material on this? Or can I just go make up some idle speculation about the massive political changes that may have taken place in 400 years. Even given Traveller's extended time duration.

 

[GypsyComet]

As noted in another recent Crucis Margin discussion, the sector's updating from Judges Guild days was incomplete twice. Gateway to Destiny renamed the polities but left most of the Judges Guild UWPs untouched, including an enormous population cluster still visible in the 990 data. Don was in the early stages of a further correction when he passed.

 

[Hairy Jim DeGriz]

@tjoneslo Attached are the three data sets: Judges Guild; QLI and TMAP 1105 (Don). You can see the progression of changes (or lack thereof). The JG UWP data for Crucis was never wiped in the QLI version. The population difference between GdKa Grand Duchy Kaladrin and Rm Raider March isn't an issue. But across the sector the delta is 590 Billion.

https://www.travellerrpg.com/index....did-590-billion-inhabitants-go-missing.42758/

A lot of interesting things happened because of the Solomani Rim War. From Gateway to Destiny, my overall sense is that governments may have risen or fallen depending on which side they chose to ally with during hostilities. A coup in Raidermarch sponsored by threatened neighbors backed by SolSec and or Imperial agents led to the establishment of a "friendly" Kaladrin government.

I don't think there are any published adventures in Crucis Margin. I think it was also stated that 1105 data is really 1120 data? @GypsyComet

I see two possible solutions, First, de-cannonize the 990 data, and work backwards from the 1105 (1120) data to rewrite the 990 data. or Second, just de-cannonize most of the 990 High Pop worlds and then fill in the 105 / 115 year history.

Full file attached.

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[2336]

 

[GypsyComet]

I don't think there are any published adventures in Crucis Margin. I think it was also stated that 1105 data is really 1120 data? @GypsyComet

Because many of the sectors saw first full UWP development during MegaTraveller, their default data sets are really 1116 or 1120. I don't recall CruMar being one of those, however, so if Don's work to update the sector says it was for 1105, then it was for 1105.

Further to trailing, HIWG development of Hiver and K'kree space was done in a MegaTraveller context, so those sectors are arguably done for 1120, not 1105. Hinterworlds, presented in Challenge during MegaTraveller, is another example.

But Crucis Margin fell in the gap between, as far as I know. The polities were named by HIWG efforts and as cross-border references in Hinterworlds material, but the HIWG names were not retained during the writing of Gateway to Destiny, so they are relegated to the dustbin along with the Judges Guild material.

There are no adventures published in the Canon version of the sector as far as I can tell. The Judges Guild adventure "Corsairs of the Turku Waste" was set in their version, since decanonized.

 

[Hairy Jim DeGriz]

Because many of the sectors saw first full UWP development during MegaTraveller, their default data sets are really 1116 or 1120. I don't recall CruMar being one of those, however, so if Don's work to update the sector says it was for 1105, then it was for 1105.

Thanks GC, I don't have access to any of that information, I thought I saw a passing comment to that effect. I probably conflated what you said about other nearby sectors i.e. Gateway Sector with Crucis Margin.

 

[GypsyComet]

Gateway got MegaTraveller attention because of the Lords of Thunder, but was the only sector to trailing of the old Atlas 35 sector block to see publication in something approaching current Canon form prior to T20's Gateway to Destiny. The Hiver and K'kree books for CT included a few hints out that way, but none ever landed in Crucis Margin. HIWG effort was rather sparse in that direction as well, for various reasons, but did put down a few markers we still use today. I've looked at the few remaining HIWG records in the area. Crucis Margin saw, as I've already noted, some polity names that were not retained, but beyond that nothing. Not even subsector names were decided. As such Martin and Hunter didn't have much foundation to work with (for Gateway to Destiny) aside from the supposedly discarded Judges Guild version.

Update: Don and I communicated on Crucis Margin a little in 2015, but I hadn't found any of it relevant to these discussions. Today I looked again, and found a polity discussion. The big change to the Raidermarch originated with Don, and was supposed to ripple to the neighbors.