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Texas Space Navy

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Murph

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I look at Texas using various nations ships which are then upgraded/modified to suit Texas attitudes. IM2300U the ships most commonly seen are:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dheb/2300/Equipment/SG/CESAD/CESAD.htm
The CESAD is the Marechal class modified to use Texas equipment.

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dheb/2300/Equipment/SG/CESAD/marechal_5.jpg

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dheb/2300/Equipment/SG/CESAC/CESAC.htm

Upgraded with a new powerplant, and drive, plus more missle packs.

An two of these:

http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dheb/2300/Equipment/SG/Gloire/Gloire.htm
 
I view Texas as having vessels from 3 sources
1) Modified civilian vessels
2) Vessels purchased new/used from the US
3) Vessels bought from other nations using funds from popular subscription
(monies donated by citizens).

You can add the Ft. Bliss class destroyer to the fleet list.
 
Texas Space Navy ships

I liked what the etranger group came up with (i.e. my idea of the Fort Bliss class of Destroyers that I wrote about way back when). In 2300 -2304 time period, Mike Bolda and I thought that most of the vessels in the TSN were handme downs and converted civilian jobs. The Fort Bliss was Texas' effort to improve its own ship building capabilities. There are several Ancoits (spelling?) that are patrol vessels for the TSN.

I even had a story idea that never got published that the front end of a Ft. Bliss/Kiev class was salvage and mated to the rear of a BC-4 freighter in order to make the TSN's first fighter carrier. Think "Flight of the Phoenix" in space and that was it in a nutshell. But the game died out before that or the Ships of the American Arm that Mike and I were planning on doing could be published.
 
I dunno. Not that I wouldn't be happy for Texas to have a large space force, but Texas isn't all that big and would have trouble affording and, more importantly, maintaining a large force. Maybe five or six ships, tops. Perhaps a couple of them would be the CESAD-class, but most would be second-line ships.

Another point to keep in mind is Mexico's space force. Mexico has only one colony (IIRC) and wouldn't need much of a force to keep the lanes to it open.

Just a few random thoughts.
 
I always thought the Texan space navy's captial ships where either named the "Steve Austin" or the "Walker" class. Would cut down on ships needed.

"One War, one Ship"

OTOH naming a defensive station Alamo might not be the best idea.
 
Texas does not have a huge navy, but IMTU it has roughly 20 ships in service, which is not out of line considering the 19th Century navies, as well as the smaller nations in the 20th Century. All their ships are 2nd hand with Texas upgrades to them. Texas does not build any except commercial ships, but they have a nice deal going doing refits for smaller nations navies.
 
I see Argentina-Mexico as the natural allies, and sharing technology and ships. Texas is more second hand, upgrades. I also see the Argentina-Mexico navies getting larger as they attempt to move in on the business of France/UK/US/China/Japan.
 
Murph said:
I see Argentina-Mexico as the natural allies...
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Murph,

Oddly enough I don't see them as natural allies. Allies of recent convenience perhaps, but in the long term both see themselves as potential Hispanic-Latin American hegemons and that means they're working towards a future collision of some sort.

Along with absorbing the old nations of Central America, Mexico has been able to grab and hold the old US Southwest. Argentina, on the other hand, has failed for centuries to control the Southern Cone of her own continent.

Both are going to use the other, but both are going to stab one another once the chance arises.


Regards,
Bill
 
Mexico and Argentina are allies of convenience. Their physical distance allows them to cooperate with being competitive, but both understand that, given their ambitions, in the end, There Can Be Only One... Until that day, they will cooperate. Mexico's primary ambition is to consolidate int eh wake of the food riots that toppled the military government. For the moment, they will play nice with everyone, with the possible exception of Texas. There is a lot of bad blood there, and more is spilled ever year on the border between the two nations. Think of the same sort of quiet little battles that occur between India and Pakistan to get an idea.
 
Texas in 2320 has a population and national wealth in line with other Tier 3 nations. This means that their fleet elements will consist of a couple of destroyer-sized, licensed-built, warships as the core, some transports, and surplus frigates and fighters. Only the fighters would be first rate, either X-2296 or French Martel fighters. Total warship count would be under 20 (including transports), with less than 50 fighters. As it is, Texas is over-stretched, holding too many colonies and outposts for its size and wealth. Fleet maintenance is an area that will suffer.

They do not have the resources to purchase and field a heavy cruiser. Of course, IY2K3U, things may be different.
 
Agreed, lots of bad blood, and no sign of it getting better. And agreed also with you and Larsen on the marriage of convenience. As for the TSN, IMT2K universe, it is a bit bigger, as are all space navies. But Texas' fleet is almost all second hand, and has been "rode hard, and put up wet" when they get them.

Colin said:
Mexico and Argentina are allies of convenience. Their physical distance allows them to cooperate with being competitive, but both understand that, given their ambitions, in the end, There Can Be Only One... Until that day, they will cooperate. Mexico's primary ambition is to consolidate int eh wake of the food riots that toppled the military government. For the moment, they will play nice with everyone, with the possible exception of Texas. There is a lot of bad blood there, and more is spilled ever year on the border between the two nations. Think of the same sort of quiet little battles that occur between India and Pakistan to get an idea.
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Honestly I feel that both the 2300 and 2320 timelines are extremely UNREALISTIC, but that being said I set my own 2300 campaign in 2330...actually the campaign played for 3.5 years. The players are from the US and in my own campaign, the US discovered on Mars some Alien complexes/ruins. They also discovered some other factilities on some of the moons of Jupitor. So the US scientist were able to reverse engineer a new power source, a new drive system, superior alloy metals, and Plasma energy weapons. Add to that advanced Robotics (Droid / Botts), and genetic clones....the Sci race was tipped for the US. With the build up of the US Millitary, and super clone soldiers, along with battle Botts, the US changed their attitude towards the world. With them become the worlds Tech lead in many ways, they became extremely nationialistic and some boarder wars wer fought. Mexico got it's teath kicked in and they reclaimed the lost states, Texas rejoined the Union, and many more fun events. Many of the nations of Earth fear the massive build up of the US Marines / Super soldiers and Combat Robots and Battle Botts.

In my campaign the US has turned extremely aggressive and nasty, many plots within plots and well a war is coming. Now also I have the Kafer as a major threat and fighting full scale against the Chineese and French arms, with them both just holding their own. The American arm with all the new tech, has become super strong and kafer threat has een all but countered and driven off. The other nations of the world fear both the Kafer threat and fear the American nation as well.

What will happen next?
 
Also I think my idea of larger forces is from my attitude that there are more ships in service than perhaps canon. After all Free Traders are making an appearance, and without larger numbers of ships, they are not possible. So IM2300 universe ship densities are much more numerous than perhaps strictly canon.
 
I though independent traders were starting to show up because the oldest civilian ships are now being replaced by new commercial/old military level technology.

The old military surplus ships from all the recent wars are being bought up by corporations, while some of their old commercial stuff is making its way into private hands.
 
Heh, wandered in here, always loved the 2300 stuff, but stuck with CT for my new campaign.

Just thought I would mention, a fun pastime I used to have was getting coworkers to create characters. Really fascinating to see what their fantasy character was in 2300.

Disturbingly enough, every single person made sure they had Demolitions skill.

Anyway, the relevant to this thread part is one fellow came up with a unique concept for 2300 Texas Navy.

He envisioned a passenger liner that would be ostensibly commercial and civilian, but that was it's cover. It actually would be an operations auxiliary, used for covert missions with special forces/intelligence, and in time of war be a troopship.

One last bit, you have to name the Texas ships after the Texas Navy warships of the revolutionary period. The most powerful ship needs to be named Austin. Just cause. ESPECIALLY since these ships bedeviled the Mexican Navy the first time around, so it would be a natural for the animosity in the 2300 universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ships_of_the_Texas_Navy

Oh and don't forget naming the Mexican Navy of the same time period- at one point they had the most advanced ships in the Americas, steam AND Paixhans guns (exploding shells). They had good Mexican captains, but also commissioned a lot of American and British captains. Can't have anything but a rematch of Austin and Wharton vs. Moctezuma and Guadalupe! And, the French Navy could return to bedevil the Mexicans, as in the Pastry War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Navy#Historical_ships

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Battle_of_Campeche

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastry_War
 
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Oh, absolutely they have to be named for historical ships. IM2300U, Texas is a 3rd tier power, but striving to ascend to 2nd Tier. There is certainly the fear of Mexico, but Texans are always thinking big.

kilemall said:
Heh, wandered in here, always loved the 2300 stuff, but stuck with CT for my new campaign.


One last bit, you have to name the Texas ships after the Texas Navy warships of the revolutionary period. The most powerful ship needs to be named Austin. Just cause. ESPECIALLY since these ships bedeviled the Mexican Navy the first time around, so it would be a natural for the animosity in the 2300 universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Ships_of_the_Texas_Navy

Oh and don't forget naming the Mexican Navy of the same time period- at one point they had the most advanced ships in the Americas, steam AND Paixhans guns (exploding shells). They had good Mexican captains, but also commissioned a lot of American and British captains. Can't have anything but a rematch of Austin and Wharton vs. Moctezuma and Guadalupe! And, the French Navy could return to bedevil the Mexicans, as in the Pastry War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Navy#Historical_ships

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Battle_of_Campeche

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastry_War
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So in other words Free Traders are coming into play in hand me down ships? I like that idea.

mike wightman said:
I though independent traders were starting to show up because the oldest civilian ships are now being replaced by new commercial/old military level technology.

The old military surplus ships from all the recent wars are being bought up by corporations, while some of their old commercial stuff is making its way into private hands.
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